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  1. Hi everyone, I see Rebecka asking about Romani jib - tounge. there are many dialects but in the Uk whats called Romanichal = English Gpysies & Welsh Kale =Welsh Gypsies. are spoken even if very Poggardi = broken down.

    Much has been lost and both are Anglo Romanes now = said Rom -a-nees , I see the word mort (that is Cant spoken by Travellers such as Irish not Romani. Romni is indeed a Woman but a married woman.

    .there does not seem to be much use of words used today when speaking to a male or when speaking to a female.

    A pity really , however there are many books etc but that is hard as Romanes is a language best learned by hearing it spoken .

    I hope one day more folkie will make the effort to relearn , Amarie Jib kodo savvo Romani yechorus Rokkar'd = our language that all Romani once spoke.

    Jasa sas Duval Folkendi.

    Bob.

  2. Hi,

    So glad you are here, only just learning about my ancestors and imagining the lives they led. Really interested in learning one of the languages, as I was told there were several.

    I am finding it difficult tracing my family, and never knew them. But I will not give up.

    I am a descendent of a mix of several travelling families including Price?pries?/ Taylor, and Smith to Rogerson.

    I would appreciate any information about Fuchsia Smith b. aprox 1880 married in 1913 to Joseph Rogerson. Not 100% certain yet but believe she was my Great Grandma.

    Please keep the stories and history of the culture, I would love more information about where particular families travelled at certain times as I think it would help people like me, who have relatively little information.

  3. Looking for any information on the last gypsy queen who had a traditional burial of the burning of the caravan on bow common in London

    approx 1881 - 1893

  4. Hi Jenna,

    i know off the family you are on about, i dont know who sams parents are but i think i know who betsey davies parents are, get in touch, stevendoe@hotmail.com

  5. I am researching my Family History. When I a child I was always told my family had Gypsy roots. My Great-Grandmother was Elizabeth Florence Loveridge born in Newbury about 1882 and married William Robert Washbourne around 1899. If anyone has any information I would appreciate anything you can offer.

    Mark

  6. I am looking for my romany family, my grandfather was Sam Loveridge and he married Bessie Davis, they spent their last years in Chalford Nr Stroud in Gloucestershire. They had children Sam, Joe, Freddie, Henry, Violet, Jane, Leander, Elsie, Jane, Ocean and Birdie. This is all I know. I have approximate birth dates for them all. Pleae can aqnyone who may know of this family or decendants please get in touch with me? Many thanks.

  7. hi all, i am still trying to find my grannys sisters and brothers. my gran was unity barnes maiden name wells, her bothers were benjamin wells/george wells/frederick wells/frank wells/reginald wells/and leonard wells her sisters were matilda wells harriet wells married a james /theodosia wells/.all i would like is to no if any of them are still alive or all gone now,and what family i have out there that i have never met,and i no there are lots of them.can any one help with this i would be so gratefull.this site is really great i have got lots from it and found some relatives i did not no i had.

  8. Hi,

    How can i find my way to Gypsies Passing Through site by Jackie Blackman?

    Thanks Cheryl MN

  9. I would just like to leave a message for Sylvia Bolt (nee Frankum) who wrote on here last year ( but I have only just seen it!)

    Your grandfather William Frankum was the second son of Henry Frankum and Sarah Ann Ireland. Henry's parents were John and Esther grandparents were George and Kesia.

    William had an older brother Thomas b. c 1878 and a younger brother Henry J b.c1881

    Henry Snr must have died about that time and Sara Ann went on to marry my grandfather Alfred Bond. I am not sure if the Bonds were Romanys, but they were certainly travellers. Alfred had first married Mary Elizabeth Millard and they had children, William,Edith,Alfred,Thomas,Florence Rose and James.

    In 1891 Alfred and Sarah were in Finchampstead with Henry J, Florence, Frederick C, Kate and Alice. Ethel May and Sarah Jane followed.

    William Frankum was bought up by his mother's mother Louisa Ireland.

    Alfred Bond died in 1903 and it was William Frankum who was the informant. He died in Alton Workhouse and William lived at 27 Albert Terrace Alton.

    I am the daughter of Don Smith, son of Ethel May Bond and would love to know more about William Frankum...so if Sylvia sees this...please get in touch!

    Thank you. x


  10. My name is Mandi Hagley Allison. My father was Stan Hagley and his father Stan Hagley, a gypsy and hawker from the East End of London.His mother was Violet Doyle, nee Smith, a Gypsy. They travelled around Kent hop picking. They had an aitchin tan in Dover and Maidstone. My dad was traumatically separated from his parents, brothers and sisters by the system in 1935. He was sent, alone, with no family, to Barnado's in Stephney Causeway. He was fostered out in Fordham,Cambridgeshire.

    On the day before his 13th birthday he was abruptly removed from his foster parents by Dr Barnadoes and sent to Russell Coates naval school, Dorset before being heavily persuaded by the training school to join the Merchant Navy as a deck boy. I and my mother have found in text books of my fathers from that time a message written by my dad. He wrote he was a gypsy healer, shaman, and wanted to be employed as a healer, not a sailor. He always told me that.

    Although technically my dad was separated from his family and culture in reality he visted lilian Doyle, his sister, and often went travelling with her and her family in the kent area. He also reunited with his half brother Edward Law and his sister Rose Hagley and Emily Doyle.Rose Hagley had been brought up by a Mrs Edwards, possibly related, in Maidstone.

    His mother's parents were Jack and Emily Smith born 1876 and 1883 of Skellington Road, East Ham, london. His maternal Uncles were John Smith born1903,and William Smith born 1918. Maternal aunts Amy Smith born 1899, Lily Thompson, Gladys Smith, Ivy Smith born 1920.

    He was loyal to his Romany culture and brought me up in the same traditions. I am proud to be a Romany Gypsy. My dad often spoke of taking me on the road and in deed i , my dad, and my mum were going to do just that when he was tragically killed in a terrible accident at sea.

    I am very proud of my Romany culture and of my dad. I admired him so much. I was only 9 when he died . I had so much to learn about him. However I do not know the whereabouts of my fathers relatives or descendents. Any information would be really appreciated. I know I cannot bring my dadus back but I hope by learning more about his gypsy roots I can understand him better and I will feel closer to him in everyday life. I have been asking for this information since I was 9 ! If you can help by giving info about any genuine gypsy relatives please email HagleyAllison@hotmail.co.uk

    Kushti Bok and thank you, Rom.

    Thank you from our gypsy family

    Mandi and Roger HagleyAllison


  11. Milly the Loveridges nd Holland families are very big!! do you have more details as that way maybe I can help you, dates and area where they lived ?.

  12. hello came across your site as im trying to trace my family tree, not easy , when most wasnt registered and those that was putting their ages on or back as suited them, im looking for the janes, and also anything i can on loveridge, holland and davis as they were on my fathers mothers side, thankyou

  13. hi lynette just saw your message i am pollys granddaughter linda.my dad was called tommy.yes we are from gravesend area my dad passed away 6yrs ago.hes sisters mary and betsy are still alive/but her sons noah.alfie.my dad and baby brother bill are dead and there sister debbie.i would love any info you have love linda.

  14. Hi

    I have the birth certificate for my wife,s Great Gandmother Ada LOCKE. She was born on 3 Feb 1923 in a caravan at rear of Shandon House, Groby Road, Church Coppenhall, Cheshire her parents are Leonard LOCKE a Hawker and Elizabeth WILSON.

    I have another certificate for my wife's Nan, Charlotte TAYLOR, born 3 Jun 1941 in a caravan at Rose Cottage, Audley Road, Chesterton, Staffordshire, her dad is given as Abraham TAYLOR a domestic gardener.

    Does anyone know anything about these two families?

    Many thanks

    Chris and Angela (chrisgleave@hotmail.co.uk)

  15. My Aunty Polly was married to a Noah Ackelton, her younger kids names were Tommy and Billy and they lived around Gravesend /Erith, when uncle Noah died Aunty Polly married Uncle Obie Collins. Polly was my Dads, Alfred "Mick" Newson, older Sister and they came from the Eastend. My older Brothers and Sisters know most about the family as I am the youngest of 10, if this you want to speak to one of them let me know.

  16. Great site as with your other sites nice to see so much info on our folki !!

  17. To sylvia bolt nee frankum

    i saw your e-mail on this site ref bull and frankum

    i think we are connected via kezia bull contact me via e-mail address

    sfalcon@hotmil.co.uk

    sonia

  18. Hi Cathay I was very excited to find your site and your page on the Taylors. John Taylor was my Great, Great Grandfather his daughter Elizabeth being my Great Gran, who married Samuel Manley of Barnstaple the parents of my Nan Molly Manley. I forwarded your link to my paternal Aunt who in turn forwarded it to another of my paternal Aunts who was brought up by Elizabeh. Your site is brilliant, really interesting to find out more about my family. I have only managed to go back to Mark and Charlotte Taylor to, she was a fish dealer in Bristol and he was a Jem:Scale Bars Maker. I shall keep on searching Best wishes to you and yours Des

  19. Hello there I just came across your site thought I say hello,I am a full traveller from St Mary Cray, I am half a Baker and half a Collins.

    This is a good site.

  20. what a great site iv never seen anything like this before, dont know much about my family history but they where from wales and warwickshire the names are bruton (scrap dealers) lenton(scrap dealers) sage, holland, and davis. sadly our family history was never discussed within the family and this site has been very interesting

  21. what a great site iv never seen anything like this before, dont know much about my family history but they where from wales and warwickshire the names are bruton (scrap dealers) lenton(scrap dealers) sage, holland, and davis. sadly our family history was never discussed within the family and this site has been very interesting

  22. Love the site.

    Good work!

  23. Its been so wonderful to come across your website - I have been living for a few years in the South Pacific and often miss feeling my roots and identity - the site has been a delight. I am descended from Harry Stanley and Flossie Knott, William and Flossie Knott (nee Nott) from the Midlands. One of my first memories is of my great great aunts Kasia and Maria with their long hair that flowed onto the floor.

    Thank you for making this wonderful site for travellers like me so far from home and familiarity.

    Latch drom

    Val

  24. first i would like to say i think your site is great. my grandfather William Frankum was born in Tadley Hampshire is father was Henry son of John Frankum and Esther Gritt his great grandparents were George Frankum and Kezia Bull, i would love to see any photos of the familes if there are any ,I am in my seventies and i have been trying to get my family tree together for years for my children and other members of my family. best wishes Sylvia.

  25. i would like to add i am glad there are sits like this i just hope someone can help

  26. i would like to find out about william wells and his wife eliza formerly jeff .i no my great grandad benjaminthere son was born on the9/4/1866 at millers ford godshill and thats all i no so far any one with any info i would be very greatfull

  27. does anyone have any info on noah ackleton married to polly.his sisters were called betsy and matilda.hes mothers name was minnie johnson his fathers nickname was acky we think.my dads name was tom not much known of the ackletons .my dad was born in gravesend kent.he was one of seven children thanks.

  28. Hi, Looking for any info on Harry Hunter and Esther Ann Banks my Grandparents they were both Licensed Hawkers. My Grandfather used to sell Linonolium and my Grandmother used to sell Second Hand clothes on Leeds Market they used travel all over Yorkshire and Lancashire in a caravan untill my my Uncle Colin Waite Hunter died in in the caravan after it caught fire in Leeds on BrickField behind Winker Green, Leeds in 1925 he was 2 years old. After that the moved into a house at Winker Green, Leeds and stopped traveling. I've traced my mother's side of the family back to 1777 to Robert Hunter he was born at Dragley Beck, Ulverston. he was a Razor Grinder. My Mothers Grandmother was Isabella Stewart she married David Hunter her Father was called George and he was married to Constance Grey. I keep hitting a brick wall concerning Harry Hunter. Thank You.

  29. Hallo i am new to this site, I think it is fantastic. It is layed out very well. My family are the Price's and they settled in Barry South Wales. Cradock (Creddy) and Catherine, they had three daughters, Ivy, Emily, and Jesephine (Pearl) they had one son but he died as a young boy. Also I had an uncle Ivor Price who lived in the village and with his horse and wagon he would go around the streets shouting out "any old iron, tin, rags and bones"? If any one has any info. on my family I would really appreciate it. In 1963 my grandad died (Cradock, Creddy ) and our caravan was burnt on the common.

    niex duka, Rammona

  30. Well said Cathay and well deserved truly amazing to have two fantastic sites for us Needies!!! you derserve a medal !!!

  31. well youve done it again sue.absolutly marvelleous.your a real star for the romanies.i dont suppose youve found out anything more on robert hughes/jones and sarah davis have you?pre 1871 that is.and how about henry 1839(birch/burch/birchon)hes a real pain.i would so like to tie him him to my robert 1831 and harriet birch/nee isaacs.i have got a scavenger hunt going on on rootschat.a lot of your people and fans taking part.finishes soon but some new stuff has come up.speak to you soon.love cathay

  32. Well Rebekka iv heard all sorts depends alot what part of the country you are from also the way in which its spelt is not always the way its pronounced !! strong regional accents play a large part , some folk i know say ols mort as in say their missus in a nice kinda wat whereas other travellers have said to me they think old mort is not right and is a kinda derogatory term?like some say gavvers(policeman) others muskras think maybe a north and south divide there? I think what ever you have been brought up with in your neck of the woods is ok and folks all have different little sayings while some words are universal? but im no expert far from it so maybe some one else knows the answer.Oh by the way havent heard the first phrase you have for thankyou but the second iv heard and seen many times and nearly alweays spelt different LOL.

  33. Some people say nicetookah for 'Thankyou', and others say parruka tutu. Like the word for wife, some say maneesha - but is this Romany? Or should we say Romni? If Romni is woman, then what about 'Mort', surely that means woman also?? Would love some advice on this! My ancestors were Beeney's, Roberts, Ripley's, Elliott's, and Boxall's.

  34. Annette would that be the William son of James Gritt and Sarah Harris?

  35. Some of my ancestors in the early 1800s were Gritts and Bulls, hawkers and sweeps. The familes were quite and some at least did not seem to be travellers; others seemed to have a connection with Teddington in Middx although their main home was around Medstead and Shirley. William Gritt couldn't decide where he came from and said Middx on one Census and Hampshire on others. Some children in the middle were born in Middx though all the rest in Hampshire. Can anyone explain what that connection is? Why travel to Middx and back again on a number of occasions across a century? Many moved to London, but why visit briefly and return?

    All help appreciated.

    Fascinating site; still waiting for a photo of a relevant Gritt or Bull.

    Annette

  36. hi, can anyone help,i,m looking up the bucklands and does and specifically looking for the parents of emmanuel bucland(born 1880)he married lender doe in 1916(born 1882-died 1944),he had brothers and sisters(many) some i know of are polly,selina,albert,nelson,goliath(born 1881)jerusalem,mary ann(born 1851-died1868,age 17)albert.There are others but i find none on b.m.d or census,sort of stumped at the minute,any help or info would be great as i think finding the parents of these children would be the key,thanks for reading and good luck to you all........michael

  37. Wow cant believe a second site and its looking as great as the first well done!!

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